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Writing/RPing tip: ''Mary-Sues'' by StickieBun13 Writing/RPing tip: ''Mary-Sues'' by StickieBun13
So, I have been seeing a lot of hate going around when it comes to Fandom OCs. and a lot of times the "Sue" title gets thrown out there for no reason but simply the character being an OC. Here a little rant/education about "Sues" and OCs I wrote on someone's journal (Who shall remain nameless unless they, themselves wish to have their name shown.

"Honestly... Every writer/Role Player has at least one "Mary-sue" character, weather they are a canon character or an OC. Its part of learning. My own was particularly bad and looking back at her she is painful to me. but over time characterization becomes easier to people and those Mary Sues develop into more rounded characters, and the characters to follow get even better. there is nothing wrong with having a sue. and if someone points out your character is a sue, take it into consideration and try to improve if said person has been role playing with you or has been reading your fiction for a good amount of time and has therefore given your oc a proper chance before labeling it as such! People who do not give your character a chance at all before ringing the Sue alarm should be ignored. Maybe even ask a writer you trust. 

Writing and Characterization, like anything else, takes practice. Do not close your mind off to criticism. It can help, even if it may feel a bit bitter at the time. Ask for real constructive criticism from people. have them tell you what you are doing right, what they like about your character, and where you could improve. It's a useful took in your art."

(Note; I talked to this person about their OC and read a little bit of their literature containing said OC. I did not see in that exert any REAL "Sue" problems. Characterization had seemed good. It seemed more like the "sue" title was tossed out unfairly.)

Let me expand upon this.

A Mary Sue is an idealized character representing the author (Or "self-insertion") or other-wise a character who is too perfect/lacks realistic flaws. Or their only flaws are used to make their character more desirable. Often times They catch *love interest's* eye quickly, even if they are supposed to be unpopular or not "good looking". Personally, I think the most famous Sue is Bella Swan from Twilight There are many other phrases for "Sues" as well (Example; Gary-Stue, Marty-stue.) 

People, please give people's OCs a real chance and give a real Constructive Critique to the writer/RPer. If you do feel the OC is a Sue, then please tell them what you like about the character and then how they can improve upon their character. Help them, don't hurt them.

As mentioned, I had a Sue or two... and dear fuck! were they bad. But I had someone help me improve. Sure, I had some people sending me hate (One even said that my OC was so bad it made them want to commit a ritualistic suicide with a rusty knife.) But I had this one nice writer who had been around a while. She came in and gave me pointers. I forgot about giving up, and I worked hard to improve. And now? Now I get people coming to me for advice in writing and characterization. (And I am happy to help)

Also, please note that Not all Fancharacters are self-insertions (And therefore are Sues) All characters are part of us as writers. it's unavoidable. All writers are like that. There is a piece of the writer in everything they write. a piece of the artist in everything they draw/paint. It's what makes it special.

Now, if reading an OC fanfic or RPing with an OC isn't your thing, than thats perfectly fine. :) (Smile) However, please don't condemn the OC without giving it a chance. If it's not your thing, then please simply say you prefer not to RP with OCs or read OC fics, don't go condemning a potentially great character as a Sue when you know nothing about him or her.

The creators of said OCs put a lot of work into their character, weather the character is a sue or not doesn't mean anything. They worked hard, poured their heart and soul into them. Don't discourage them. It takes a huge amount of courage for a writer to put their OC out in the Public eye Trust me on this. They are bearing themselves, placing themselves in a vulnerable spot. You should at least respect that.

I myself have not presented any of my OCs (Fan or otherwise) as a main character since I was in my own Sue stage of writing. I keep them to the background as characters you do not even see much and therefore, their characterization stays mute. No judgment upon them at all, hardly. But soon, with the help of some good friends and supporters, I will be exposing myself again in the same way all these other OC writers do. I'm nervous as Hell to be doing it, but I hope that people will judge my Fancharacter for Kuroshitsuji as they would a Canon Character, and not just slap him in the face with the label of "Sue"

Might scrap soon.
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actinium97 Featured By Owner 5 days ago
Personally I think it would be best to totally get rid of the term "Mary Sue" along with all other Fan Slang terms and just use normal language, (including "everyday"  slang if wanted), for comments and criticism of fan stories and art!!!!!!!!!!
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StickieBun13 Featured By Owner Edited 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I see nothing wrong with the terms, to be honest. It's not a negative term, it's simply a beginner's stage of writing. People would judge OCs and fan characters as sues without giving them a chance no matter what a sue is called. We need to focus more on opening people's minds enough to where they would at least give OCs a chance before saying they aren't written well.

It's like the women who have attempted to ban the word "Bossy" because they say it's sexist. "Bossy" is a gender-neutral word that isn't harmful at all. and if they are insulted by that word, then no matter what they will be insulted by whatever replaces it, even if it's the definition of the word "someone who gives people orders and who wants things their own way." Changing the word or banning the word doesn't make what the word represents go away. It solves nothing.
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actinium97 Featured By Owner 4 days ago
I do understand what you are saying. I know fan slang is not always negative, but - and this is just a personal view - it always reads like that to me. I also think it could confuse anyone new to fan art and fiction who wasn't familiar  the terms, even make them feel a bit "left out". I would not say "ban it" except to respectfully request that it isn't used when commenting on any of my posts, (except of course discussions on the subject)!  May I also say it's just my opinion and I mean no disrespect to those who are happy with it!
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actinium97 Featured By Owner 4 days ago
Sorry - hat sounds like I was contradicting myself!  By getting rid of fan slang I was thinking more of fan communities opting not to use it rather than an actual ban on websites like this one,
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RoxasPikachu Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Professional Artist
Note : MARY SURE IS JUST A IDIOT NAME , ITS NOT REAL 
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StickieBun13 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
....What? Sorry, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or joking, or defencive... or... what ;A;

(And my Grandmother's name had been Maryanne so... Mary is a real name. "Mary-sue" is just the term that was given for these type of characters. I don't know when or why, but yeah. if you were joking or something please ignore this. IDK.)
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RoxasPikachu Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Professional Artist
will im a real mary sue maker and look my page.
people must not take " mary sue " as a real rule of DA , look my journals
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StickieBun13 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm still slightly confused.

What do you mean by "people must not take " mary sue " as a real rule of DA"?

I was not bashing Sue characters. This writers tip is talking about how people need to treat people with a little more respect when it comes to their OCs Sue or not. Mary Sues get a lot of hate, and some OCs get hate because they are assumed to be a sue character even if they are not because people wont give them a chance before hating on the character. 

I feel that it should stop.
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actinium97 Featured By Owner Edited 5 days ago
I think it would stop if no-one used the term "Mary Sue" any more - then, I feel, they would just consider weather the character was well or badly written, how they could be improved, etc.
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