"Honestly... Every writer/Role Player has at least one "Mary-sue" character, weather they are a canon character or an OC. Its part of learning. My own was particularly bad and looking back at her she is painful to me. but over time characterization becomes easier to people and those Mary Sues develop into more rounded characters, and the characters to follow get even better. there is nothing wrong with having a sue. and if someone points out your character is a sue, take it into consideration and try to improve if said person has been role playing with you or has been reading your fiction for a good amount of time and has therefore given your oc a proper chance before labeling it as such! People who do not give your character a chance at all before ringing the Sue alarm should be ignored. Maybe even ask a writer you trust.
Writing and Characterization, like anything else, takes practice. Do not close your mind off to criticism. It can help, even if it may feel a bit bitter at the time. Ask for real constructive criticism from people. have them tell you what you are doing right, what they like about your character, and where you could improve. It's a useful took in your art."
(Note; I talked to this person about their OC and read a little bit of their literature containing said OC. I did not see in that exert any REAL "Sue" problems. Characterization had seemed good. It seemed more like the "sue" title was tossed out unfairly.)
Let me expand upon this.
A Mary Sue is an idealized character representing the author (Or "self-insertion") or other-wise a character who is too perfect/lacks realistic flaws. Or their only flaws are used to make their character more desirable. Often times They catch *love interest's* eye quickly, even if they are supposed to be unpopular or not "good looking".
People, please give people's OCs a real chance and give a real Constructive Critique to the writer/RPer. If you do feel the OC is a Sue, then please tell them what you like about the character and then how they can improve upon their character. Help them, don't hurt them.
As mentioned, I had a Sue or two... and dear fuck! were they bad. But I had someone help me improve. Sure, I had some people sending me hate (One even said that my OC was so bad it made them want to commit a ritualistic suicide with a rusty knife.) But I had this one nice writer who had been around a while. She came in and gave me pointers. I forgot about giving up, and I worked hard to improve. And now? Now I get people coming to me for advice in writing and characterization. (And I am happy to help)
Also, please note that Not all Fancharacters are self-insertions (And therefore are Sues) All characters are part of us as writers. it's unavoidable. All writers are like that. There is a piece of the writer in everything they write. a piece of the artist in everything they draw/paint. It's what makes it special.
Now, if reading an OC fanfic or RPing with an OC isn't your thing, than thats perfectly fine. However, please don't condemn the OC without giving it a chance. If it's not your thing, then please simply say you prefer not to RP with OCs or read OC fics, don't go condemning a potentially great character as a Sue when you know nothing about him or her.
The creators of said OCs put a lot of work into their character, weather the character is a sue or not doesn't mean anything. They worked hard, poured their heart and soul into them. Don't discourage them. It takes a huge amount of courage for a writer to put their OC out in the Public eye Trust me on this. They are bearing themselves, placing themselves in a vulnerable spot. You should at least respect that.
I myself have not presented any of my OCs (Fan or otherwise) as a main character since I was in my own Sue stage of writing. I keep them to the background as characters you do not even see much and therefore, their characterization stays mute. No judgment upon them at all, hardly. But soon, with the help of some good friends and supporters, I will be exposing myself again in the same way all these other OC writers do. I'm nervous as Hell to be doing it, but I hope that people will judge my Fancharacter for Kuroshitsuji as they would a Canon Character, and not just slap him in the face with the label of "Sue"
Might scrap soon.
It's like the women who have attempted to ban the word "Bossy" because they say it's sexist. "Bossy" is a gender-neutral word that isn't harmful at all. and if they are insulted by that word, then no matter what they will be insulted by whatever replaces it, even if it's the definition of the word "someone who gives people orders and who wants things their own way." Changing the word or banning the word doesn't make what the word represents go away. It solves nothing.
(And my Grandmother's name had been Maryanne so... Mary is a real name. "Mary-sue" is just the term that was given for these type of characters. I don't know when or why, but yeah. if you were joking or something please ignore this. IDK.)
people must not take " mary sue " as a real rule of DA , look my journals
What do you mean by "people must not take " mary sue " as a real rule of DA"?
I was not bashing Sue characters. This writers tip is talking about how people need to treat people with a little more respect when it comes to their OCs Sue or not. Mary Sues get a lot of hate, and some OCs get hate because they are assumed to be a sue character even if they are not because people wont give them a chance before hating on the character.
I feel that it should stop.
i mean lets say my oc , her name is roxas ( like from kh )
and shes lv 606 and she is the must powerful pokemon .
ok i know its to mush but yes shes a sue.
thats why im try to make people Acceptance the ocs even if they a sues
as for taking sur as real rule , will lots of my friends feel like they are been trolled by that name and that maked me feel like all the people in da want make the ocs the same as real life , got it?
and just so you know, "Mary-Sue" is not just a thing on DA It's a term used all over the internet used to describe characters who seem unrealistic in characterization.
YES "Mary-sues" are OCs like other OCs. Their creator puts a lot of hard work into them, as I stated above. and people needs to respect people and their OCs more. That's my whole point with this. Characterization is something writers learn and improve on Not all OCs have "bad characterization" but most are treated that way without thought and called a sue unfairly.
I am calling people out on something I feel needs to be addressed. I'm not hating on "sues" or their creators. but "Sues" do exist as its simply a term for characters that are a little lacking in characterization and could use a little improvement. Not hate.
I'm actually getting ready to start posting a Fic where my own OC is a main character. I haven't publicly posted something with a big OC in it in years (Small background OCs, yes. but thats about it.) I'm confident he's not a stue but, I am putting him out there and I can be a little sensitive if a negative comment comes at the wrong time. I'm also nervous that people won't like him. but, come the 25th, the first chapter is being posted anyway. Here's hoping I can ignore the negative comments XD
What do you mean? like when i have the fic posted or a character sheet? The fic is already 13 chapters long at this point. I'm mostly nervous because he's a FanCharacter for Black Butler.
and IDK, I might make an updated Character sheet for Jase if I get over my Writer's block. (My old one for him is really out of date. things have been changed, and he's evolved and developed since then.)
ive never really created a character that represents me.....at least not that im aware
my characters are definitely not 100% perfect either
i'd never even heard the term "sue" until this, if that tells u anything
Frankly, I find that if someone is going to give hate on your OC or your character, if they do not offer on how they would like it better or any constructive critisicm, they have no business calling out your OC. =w=
It goes that way for everything. Don't hate on anyone's work, art or writing. they worked hard. It's much better to offer suggestions to improve.
Personally I think this.
Sues are only the result of inexperience. Which is honestly why I hate marry sue hate. Unless the oc is godmodding its not a crime to have a marry sue. And not all self inserts are marry sues. Seriously guys? Do you even realize that nobody actually goes out of their way to look up how the character and the author are related. Nobody cares who the character was based on really. If you say otherwise than your lying big time.
I remember getting serious hate because my oc yuki was a marry sue. seriously that's how you get rid of good authors. By bashing them in the early stages of development. And at the end of the day if they don't take the critique that's ok. Its their character not your character.
And Godmods? Gahhh That's a whole other thing entirely. I've been Godmodded a few times and that's one way to make me drop a RP like a ton of bricks! (Though I do mention OOC that I feel they are Godmodding and ask them to tone it down. but if they don't then I drop out of the RP) When it comes to Sues.... I don't RP with them, either at this point. But if someone asks for help with their OC they think may be a sue, I will get to know their character a little more so that I can properly help.
I'll rp with sues I mean they don't exactly ruin the entire rp for me until they start shoving competition aside and hogging the spotlight.
again marry sues are not that big of a deal. Its just the deciants that baaaw about them without looking deeper into the picture.